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Welcome to week 4 (challenge details here yadda yadda)! We still have a week until July 1st, so we're not off the hook yet. I'm excited that finished stories have appeared on the scene!
Discussion in comments, if so desired. Woes, gloating, links to your stories? Optional discussion topic for all: Are there ways in which your writing has changed since around this time last year--in terms of writing style, themes, plot devices, characters, or whatever else? Go!

Date: 2014-06-24 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tehta.livejournal.com
I have a link to share! Because I did finish a thing.

Title: Cliffhanger
Summary: Climbing partners get very accustomed to saving each other's lives. The habit can prove hard to break, as Findekáno and Maitimo discover.
Location: AO3.
Warnings: It starts out fluffy, but does not end that way.


As for your question... it sounds apt, since the three parts of this story were written in 2006, 2013, and 2014 respectively, and they are clearly different. However, I do not think the differences are due to their dates of origin: tragically, I am so old that my writing has pretty much stabilized. (I know there is more I could learn and develop, of course, but it does not seem to be happening...)

Date: 2014-06-25 06:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huinare.livejournal.com
I enjoyed the changing mood of each scene in that story, and the whole rock climbing motif as I mentioned in my ridiculous comment. Thanks for writing/posting!
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Not to be interpreted as asking your age if you're not inclined to discuss, but, hypothetically, how old would one need to be for writing to stabilize? Would it have to do also with how long one has been writing? I was pretty convinced I was a badass writer when I was a teenager, but since I started writing at age 11 I probably was good compared to most people my age and many older. I learned more finesse over the years and I think I'm still learning that. My issue has always been complying with the "less is more" axiom, and I really do think I've gotten much better at that in the past few years (round about since I turned 30).

Date: 2014-06-25 08:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tehta.livejournal.com
I am in my late thirties. (Don't tell anyone!) And I think my writing stabilized oh, a decade ago? I do not mean that it became perfect, just that I "found a voice", or a range of voices, that seem to work and that I have been using ever since. (My early Tolkien stuff, like Flawed and Fair and Gathering the Pieces, is from right after it happened. I don't think I could write those stories better now.) I believe I *have* learned a little more in the intervening, but it mostly has to do with how to self-edit better so I get the same result faster.

And of course it is possible that I will have some major shift in the future!

Date: 2014-06-26 01:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huinare.livejournal.com
I believe I *have* learned a little more in the intervening, but it mostly has to do with how to self-edit better so I get the same result faster.

This is one I could probably stand to learn more of also, although that also has improved for me recently. I have colossal projects sitting stagnant because I'm so bummed out just thinking of the massive editing overhaul required...

Date: 2014-06-24 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chaotic-binky.livejournal.com
I have posted my story - Dying for Love, in which Nàmo reflects on the selfless nature of love and the pain it can bring.

Here it is on my LJ: http://chaotic-binky.livejournal.com/833336.html

On A03: http://archiveofourown.org/works/1841212

On Faerie: http://efiction.esteliel.de/viewstory.php?sid=1317

Enjoy :)
Edited Date: 2014-06-24 09:39 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-06-25 07:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huinare.livejournal.com
A melancholy, bittersweet tale. Thanks! =)

Date: 2014-06-25 10:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chaotic-binky.livejournal.com
I am pleased you enjoyed it. Thank you for your comments :)

Date: 2014-06-25 05:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huinare.livejournal.com
I posted the first chapter to my story, The Birds of the Temple Garden. I'm extremely glad to finally be writing again. This is the story I've been wanting to write for a year, but I had no idea how to go about it and was finding myself intimidated and unenthused.

Chapter 1 here: "The Incurious," in which Mairon deals with that inept acolyte.

So far this is really mild by my standards--creepy, but not grisly. It may reach a certain grisliness at some point because, well, I am what I am, but I'll warn on individual chapters in that event.

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Now maybe I should answer the discussion question, because so far I've answered zero of my own discussion questions this month (don't tell!). I actually appear to have shot myself in the foot with that question, because, aside from a few efforts I don't think worth counting, I haven't written since December 2012.

But comparing then to now, I -think- (and we'll see how my story bears this out) I have less of a desire to be wrenching and shocking, and more of a desire to add a sort of dark poesy and melancholia to stuff, make the terrible beautiful or whatever.

Date: 2014-06-26 01:13 am (UTC)
zdenka: Orange carp on a black background. "Oh, tree! Eat the fish!" (stabbity)
From: [personal profile] zdenka
Leaving my comment on the story here, since I don't have an account at the SWG:

I liked this! It's understatedly creepy, and it makes me want to read more. The last sentence is excellent.

Date: 2014-06-26 01:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huinare.livejournal.com
Thank you! I was definitely trying for understated.

Date: 2014-06-26 06:27 am (UTC)
hhimring: Estel, inscription by D. Salo (Default)
From: [personal profile] hhimring
I think that your "dark poesy" thing is really working in the first chapter of the Numenorean story.
Mairon is really frightening and impressive, probably more so than if he had just erupted on the spot, and the description of the garden is beautiful, melancholy and very ominous. Also, that POV thing, where you manage to make the Faithful sound like an obscure minority cult, is very good.

Date: 2014-06-27 03:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huinare.livejournal.com
Thanks so much!

I'm still not perfectly clear on timelines/lifespans etc, but it struck me while writing the bit about the garden that Armenelos must have been a pretty hostile environment for the Faithful for some time (although I might need to rethink this as I apparently quite forgot Tar-Palantír, but still, I'd imagine many of the Faithful had already removed elsewhere before his reign).

Date: 2014-06-27 03:28 am (UTC)
zdenka: A woman touching open books, with loose pages blowing around her (books)
From: [personal profile] zdenka
For Numenor dates and lifespans, I usually go to "The Line of Elros" in Unfinished Tales. I find it conveniently organized for my purposes, at least.

It is hard to keep track of -- I had this very belated realization a while back that Miriel was 60 years old when her father came to the throne and thus spent her childhood and a significant portion of her adult life in a very hostile atmosphere.

I can see it as entirely plausible that many of the Faithful would have left and not all come back with Tar-Palantir. Or that if they were still in Armenelos, that they could still be afraid to show their beliefs openly during his reign.

Date: 2014-06-27 03:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huinare.livejournal.com
Ohh, I should just look at "The Line of Elros" then...UT is actually the only physical Tokien book I currently own (libraries and PDF files are my friends). Thanks for the tip!


I can see it as entirely plausible that many of the Faithful would have left and not all come back with Tar-Palantir. Or that if they were still in Armenelos, that they could still be afraid to show their beliefs openly during his reign.

Oh good. I was having one of those "oh noes did I just make an egregious error?" moments (although really, yes, I could see the population of the Faithful in Armenelos as not recovering during Palantír's reign, but I was worried that might be my...um, biases...talking).
Edited Date: 2014-06-27 03:56 am (UTC)

Date: 2014-06-27 04:23 am (UTC)
zdenka: A woman touching open books, with loose pages blowing around her (books)
From: [personal profile] zdenka
Hope it's helpful!

UT also says that Tar-Palantir spent a lot of his time in Andunie, so I always figured that most of the Faithful would keep living there.

Date: 2014-06-27 04:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huinare.livejournal.com
Ah that's right, it does, doesn't it? *very helpful*

Date: 2014-06-27 07:08 am (UTC)
hhimring: Estel, inscription by D. Salo (Default)
From: [personal profile] hhimring
It seems quite likely to me. I think you can at least argue that by the beginning of Tar-Palantir's reign the Faithful were a minority anywhere but in the West Country, where they seem still to have had a clear majority (this being before they were forcibly removed to Romenna). And while, during Tar-Palantir's reign, they would certainly have been welcome at court, that doesn't mean he managed to change the mood in the city of Armenelos as a whole (we certainly know he failed in other ways).

Date: 2014-06-27 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huinare.livejournal.com
Yes, true, even when the leadership is trying to manufacture change it isn't always quick to happen.

Date: 2014-06-27 09:05 pm (UTC)
hhimring: Estel, inscription by D. Salo (Default)
From: [personal profile] hhimring
"...the greater part of his people did not repent..."

But, eep, in my earlier comment read "Ar-Gimilzor's reign" for "Tar-Palantir's reign". I should not pretend to know things about Numenor, especially not on a Friday morning just before rushing off to work!

Date: 2014-06-27 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huinare.livejournal.com
Ah okay, I see what you mean, but your comment still made sense reading it as Tar-Palantír.

I should not pretend to know things about Númenor whilst writing a story about Númenor (actually I think I used to know at least a deal more, but my knowledge of the Legendarium has waned this past year or so with disuse...)

Date: 2014-06-25 01:02 pm (UTC)
independence1776: Drawing of Maglor with a harp on right, words "sing of honor lost" and "Noldolantë" on the left and bottom, respectively (Default)
From: [personal profile] independence1776
I'll probably post mine tomorrow or Friday. I'm trying to decide if it should go in my ficlet collection (it turned out shorter than I wanted) or as a standalone.

Maybe? At least, I'm making a deliberate effort to include more description because I'm fairly terrible at it otherwise. I'm also learning how to deal with leaving a story for longer periods of time than a few days and then returning to work on it, which is new. I normally write straight through when I start something, so it's a bit of a challenge.

Date: 2014-06-26 01:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huinare.livejournal.com
Yeah, figuring out how to archive can be a challenge in itself sometimes. I look forward to reading the story!

I'm also learning how to deal with leaving a story for longer periods of time than a few days and then returning to work on it, which is new. I normally write straight through when I start something, so it's a bit of a challenge.

Ooh that's interesting. I'm a chronic fits-and-starts writer for the most part, and frequently leaves things for weeks/months/years (except for ficlets or drabbles). Are there benefits you perceive to leaving it for longer periods (kinda like "sleeping on it" maybe?) or is it just the nature of what you've been writing lately?

Date: 2014-06-26 02:12 pm (UTC)
independence1776: Drawing of Maglor with a harp on right, words "sing of honor lost" and "Noldolantë" on the left and bottom, respectively (Default)
From: [personal profile] independence1776
I've decided ficlet collection; I've put other challenge-type and gift stories there before, so there's really no reason for me not to. I'm glad to hear that!

Are there benefits you perceive to leaving it for longer periods (kinda like "sleeping on it" maybe?) or is it just the nature of what you've been writing lately?

The latter. It's the dark AU specifically: I started writing it for B2MeM and realized it was too long to both write and edit before the due date, so I put it aside to work on another story. And every time I went back to work on it, I stalled and ended up working on something else. Hopefully I fixed the problem that kept stalling me (the timeline stuff), so when I sit back down to work on it, it'll be easier to write straight through. While I've learned I can write in fits-and-starts (something I flat-out thought I couldn't do), it's still not something I particularily enjoy.

Date: 2014-06-27 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huinare.livejournal.com
I see your story's appeared on SWG/ =D I'll have a read later today.

Date: 2014-06-27 07:54 pm (UTC)
independence1776: Drawing of Maglor with a harp on right, words "sing of honor lost" and "Noldolantë" on the left and bottom, respectively (Default)
From: [personal profile] independence1776
Aww, thank you!

Date: 2014-06-28 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huinare.livejournal.com
Apologies if my SWG comment was kind of flippant in regards to the Valinor thing. I was too eager, it seems, to interpret it in light of my cynicism. ;)

Date: 2014-06-28 07:54 pm (UTC)
independence1776: Drawing of Maglor with a harp on right, words "sing of honor lost" and "Noldolantë" on the left and bottom, respectively (Default)
From: [personal profile] independence1776
None needed at all! Cynicism is half the reason I wrote it; I can't buy them just sailing into Valinor, either. But since I'm inordinately fond of the Tuor-becomes-immortal ending, I needed some reason to justify that with canon saying Eärendil was the first success. (Sad to say, I didn't actually think of the possibility until I came up with the story idea. Cue a light bulb going on in my head: "Oh! That's how it happened.")

Date: 2014-06-28 10:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huinare.livejournal.com
Ahh, I see. That works!

Date: 2014-06-25 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pandemonium-213.livejournal.com
Multicenter, Double-blind, Randomized, Parallel-group, Monotherapy, Active-control Study to Determine the Efficacy and Safety of Daclizumab High Yield Process (DAC HYP) versus Avonex® (Interferon β-1a) in Patients with Relapsing-Remitting Multiple Sclerosis

Not yet posted. In progress. Plenty of Doom and Gloom (for me).

Date: 2014-06-26 01:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huinare.livejournal.com
Thanks for the update. ;)

Date: 2014-06-25 05:40 pm (UTC)
zdenka: The Doors of Khazad-dum. (don't bother me i'm brooding)
From: [personal profile] zdenka
No new progress for me this week. I've been frantically working on an exchange fic (which is done now, at least). It was suitably doomy and gloomy, at my recipient's request, but not in Tolkien fandom. It's looking like I won't have a full-length story finished this month, which doesn't really surprise me -- but it's still been helpful in terms of restarting things that had been stalled.

My writing has changed over time, but I don't think there's a significant different between last year and now. It's a little hard to tell because (except with exchange stories) I don't just sit down and write something start to finish -- I'll work on it in fits and starts over months or years. The things I'm finishing now may well be things I started a year ago!

Date: 2014-06-26 01:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huinare.livejournal.com
It's looking like I won't have a full-length story finished this month, which doesn't really surprise me -- but it's still been helpful in terms of restarting things that had been stalled.


I was hoping people might also be able to use this month for stuff like that, also. I enjoyed what you did finish and post. =)

Ha, that's true about "fits and starts;" I just used that to describe my own typical writing process to Indy upthread. Although I think my priorities (both in terms of presentation and thematic content) do seem to change of their own accord, including over the course of a long-term project. That is actually why I'm so stalled on my novel-length fic; the chapters I began about 6 years ago are no longer appropriate to the writer and person I currently am, and it needs major overhaul.

Date: 2014-06-27 04:27 am (UTC)
zdenka: A woman touching open books, with loose pages blowing around her (books)
From: [personal profile] zdenka
Thanks. :)

That makes sense. Though I'm impressed that you can write something novel-length, even unfinished. That's something I've never been able to do and can't even wrap my mind around doing, somehow.

Date: 2014-06-27 04:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huinare.livejournal.com
I was writing "novels" ever since I first started writing fiction as a kid, so for me, the challenge was/is shorter works. I've come to like writing shorter stuff now, but frankly I'm not sure I would have ever started, had I not run into fanfic stories and thought "I want in on this!"

Date: 2014-06-26 03:18 am (UTC)
ladybrooke: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ladybrooke
Well, on the bright side, I know what I'm going to write.

Now I just need to do that. :P Which means working up the energy and enough alone time...I can and will do this though.

I'm not sure how it's changed, but I know that I look at things I wrote last year and cringe and want to rewrite.

Date: 2014-06-26 04:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huinare.livejournal.com
Which means working up the energy and enough alone time...I can and will do this though.

Yes you can! (*Mairon-ish demeanor* Yes you shall.)

I look forward to your story. =)

Date: 2014-06-27 05:49 pm (UTC)
ladybrooke: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ladybrooke
I can! Now I just need the people around me to cooperate with this plan. :)

Thank you! I'm not sure it'll be many people's cup of tea, being set right before the Dagor Dagorath but without any happiness. Or you know, most of the great elves and men. :P

Though while researching today, I'm strangely tempted to do something dealing with the Caves of the Forgotten, Ar-Pharazôn, and King Arthur...the plot bunnies, they're breeding!

Date: 2014-06-27 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huinare.livejournal.com
W00t Dagor Dagorath!

Do ittt, write all the plotbunnies. >=)

Date: 2014-06-29 04:16 am (UTC)
ladybrooke: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ladybrooke
It's fun! At least for us writers.

I'll try! We'll see how it goes...I'm so behind on all my writing. :P

Date: 2014-06-26 10:27 pm (UTC)
hhimring: Estel, inscription by D. Salo (Default)
From: [personal profile] hhimring
Well, you already know about this (and thank you so much for your comments!), but for the sake of tidiness here is the link:
http://hhimring.livejournal.com/#post-hhimring-92650
(Maedhros and the Palantir, not otherwise archived yet)

The main change since last summer, I guess, is that I began to experiment with writing drabbles to Tolkien Weekly prompts about subjects or characters that I otherwise hesitated to tackle. Only the Palantir story doesn't particularly illustrate this--except perhaps the "subjects or characters I hesitate to tackle" part!

Date: 2014-06-27 02:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huinare.livejournal.com
Yay, I really enjoyed that story!

I've kind of fallen out of the Tolkien Weekly loop, but I've liked all of your drabbles that I've read on there, esp. your Brodun (sp?) OC.

Date: 2014-07-01 04:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] samtyr.livejournal.com
All done. Just under the wire too.

It's not quite what I planned though; during last minute edits, well... never mind. Maybe... someday I'll redo it.

Still, I hope you like.

Erm, I should say also that I am in US Central time (GMT +6) and it's just after 11 pm. Ooops.

It's at my lj.
Edited Date: 2014-07-01 04:05 am (UTC)

Date: 2014-07-01 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huinare.livejournal.com
Not, he reminded himself, that he cared what the Noldor thought of him.

Ha! Nooo, of course not.

That one prompted me to brush up on my Elven genealogies (that's a good thing! as I have a distinct dearth of knowledge there).


Thank you for participating! (My time zone is GMT -8, so most of the rest of the world could extend work on this challenge into the morning of their July 1st and I'd be none the wiser. =D)

Date: 2014-07-01 12:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] samtyr.livejournal.com
I'm so glad you enjoyed it.

Elven genealogies are complicated and tricky. Sometimes you just have to go with what works best/feels right. :)
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